巴比特论坛

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2017-12-11 12:30 至 2017-12-11 14:30 商定
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本期嘉宾:

Roy Zou  Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问

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Roy 拥有控制工程硕士学位,2011年进入比特币加密货币领域,并一直从事加密货币区块链相关技术研究,推动加密货币社区发展;区块链公司BITKIO及苏州共识网络科技(Consensis)创始人。

Roy是Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问,中国Ethereum Classic社区建立者,并担任以太坊原链协会(Ethereum Classic Consortium, ECC)秘书长。


Elaine Ou  Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问

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Elaine斯坦福大学电气工程博士生,曾供职于SanDisk 和 Intel等大型国际公司,Professor Simon Wong研究集团成员,悉尼大学讲师,Aurora Finance创始人,目前与Nick Szabo共同供职于Global Financial Access,现为Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问。


Igor Artamonov(Splix)  Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team CTO

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Igor Artamonov是一位经验丰富的软件工程师,拥有超过15年的专业经验。 他主要关注焦点是数据处理,分布式系统和安全。
他从一开始就加入了Ethereum Classic,一直致力于技术组织部分,并创建了gastracker.io。 他领导了最近协议升级的开发,在区块高度2.5M和3M上,和ECIP-1010(难度炸弹延迟)的作者。
目前,他全力致力于ETC的发展,并正在为ETC未来技术的发展筹建一支开发团队。

Matthew Mazur(Snaproll)  Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问

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Matt是ETC货币政策改进协议ECIP-1017的作者,加密货币信仰者,2013年进入比特币领域2014年进入以太坊,拥有10年航空领域工作背景,主要工作经验在商业发展,项目管理和战略分析方面,Matt同时是商业级飞行员、滑翔机飞行员和以及认证飞行教练,目前担任Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问。

Cody Burns


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Cody Burns毕业于美国休斯敦大学(University of Houston),任职于跨国理咨询公司埃森哲(Accenture)的区块链架构师;Burns Capital创始人,目前担任目前担任Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team顾问。

Isaac Ardis  Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team  Go语言开发者

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Isaac Ardis白天是Ethereum Classic开发团队ETCDEV Team的开发者,在今年4月加入ETC开发团队。

ETC相关信息链接:
官方网站: www.ethereumclassic.org
ETC开发团队网站: www.etcdevteam.com
巴比特论坛:http://8btc.com/forum-126-1.html
以太经典ETC微信公众号:ethereum_classic

ETC社区在近来进展迅速,其货币政策也预计在12月12日正式实施。ETC未来走向如何?ETC开发团队携手顾问团队等你来问!




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币市新韭菜 2017-12-5 18:13:27
本帖最后由 币市新韭菜 于 2017-12-5 21:25 编辑

希望减产日价格能突破ETH的1/10.。。  ETC助力物联网,那么和IOTA有关联?


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2017-12-11 12:49:53 Isaac_Ardis: IOTA is a “blockless” distributred ledger, and ETC is a blockchain. IOTA has no mining, block creation or validation, and, in general, a completely different approach to consenus which is based on individual transactions and their inter-validations, as opposed to block PoW. Both are capable of powering an Internet of Things.

IOTA是一种不存在区块的分布式账本,而ETC是一个区块链。和区块链PoW机制完全不同的是,IOTA中不存在挖矿、区块生成或验证的过程,其共识机制完全不同于传统区块链,IOTA系统基于个人交易,通过交易之间的验证完成结算。ETC和IOTA都能够驱动物联网应用。

2017-12-11 12:48:50 Isaac_Ardis: The goal of the Monetary Policy is to establish a disinflationary currency model, which gives investors and developers a bedrock value basis. We expect this to yield investor confidence in the short and long term. The Monetary Policy is very similar to Bitcoin’s Monetary Policy (see http://themisescircle.org/blog/2013/12/15/the-bitcoin-central-banks-perfect-monetary-policy/ for an informative article).

这个新的货币政策的目标是建立一种反通胀的货币模式,为投资者和开发者带来坚实的价值基础。我们希望新的货币政策能够在短期和长期内巩固投资者的信心。这个货币政策和比特币的货币政策类似(可以在这篇文章中http://themisescircle.org/blog/2013/12/15/the-bitcoin-central-banks-perfect-monetary-policy/ 了解更多相关信息)。

2017-12-11 12:37:19 Splix: We use completely different approach, from tech standpoint it’s really hard to compare them.
Main difference that IOTA is non-PoW blockchain using direct acyclic graph and without smart contracts. While ETC is more traditional blockchain with PoW and smart contracts. Smart contracts are the most important part for IoT application, so far IOTA didn’t came with any solution on that.
Actually ETC is moving to directed rooted tree structure, which is graph structure too, with introducing native sidechains sometime next year. ETC sidechains are especially designed to IoT applications, with free transactions inside them, smart contracts, and security provided by root chain protected by PoW mining.

我们采用了完全不同的模式,从技术角度来看两者很难进行对比。
主要的差异在于,IOTA不是PoW区块链,它采用了有向无环图(DAG)的模式,并且没有智能合约。而ETC是一个更加传统的PoW区块链,包含了智能合约的功能。智能合约是IoT应用中最重要的一环,目前IOTA并未解决这一点。
事实上,ETC正在向有向根数结构切换,这同样也是一种图形结构,另外,明年我们还会推出系统原生的侧链。ETC侧链专为物联网应用设计,侧链中的交易免手续费。根链提供的智能合约和安全性受到PoW挖矿的保护。

2017-12-11 12:37:02 Splix: We use completely different approach, from tech standpoint it’s really hard to compare them.
Main difference that IOTA is non-PoW blockchain using direct acyclic graph and without smart contracts. While ETC is more traditional blockchain with PoW and smart contracts. Smart contracts are the most important part for IoT application, so far IOTA didn’t came with any solution on that.
Actually ETC is moving to directed rooted tree structure, which is graph structure too, with introducing native sidechains sometime next year. ETC sidechains are especially designed to IoT applications, with free transactions inside them, smart contracts, and security provided by root chain protected by PoW mining.

我们采用了完全不同的模式,从技术角度来看两者很难进行对比。
主要的差异在于,IOTA不是PoW区块链,它采用了有向无环图(DAG)的模式,并且没有智能合约。而ETC是一个更加传统的PoW区块链,包含了智能合约的功能。智能合约是IoT应用中最重要的一环,目前IOTA并未解决这一点。
事实上,ETC正在向有向根数结构切换,这同样也是一种图形结构,另外,明年我们还会推出系统原生的侧链。ETC侧链专为物联网应用设计,侧链中的交易免手续费。根链提供的智能合约和安全性受到PoW挖矿的保护。

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chengzi0418 2017-12-5 18:14:31
我知道ETC和ETH的来历,但不知道截至目前,两者的代码差别有多大?建立在两者之上的应用数量分别是多少?一个应用如果建立在ETH上,是否可以同样建立在ETC上?
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2017-12-11 12:51:55 Isaac_Ardis: The code itself is in many ways similar - both having the same “parentage.” However, since 2016, the code bases have diverged in a few important ways; among others, with ETH moving toward PoS.

两者的代码具有极大的相似性——因为他们的起源相同。然而,自2016年以后,两者的代码库在几个重要的方面进行了分离;举个例子,ETH就正在向PoS转移。

While CryptoKitties is perhaps the largest and most notorious application built on ETH, it is impossible to tell exactly how many individual applications have been built on either chain; an “application” can not only be measured in terms of contracts vs. private address accounts.

CryptoKitties可能是目前基于ETH最大型同时也是最有名的应用,但很难说明两条链中存在多少独立应用;“应用”不能仅仅依据合约和私人地址账户的数量来衡量。


2017-12-11 12:38:47 Splix: Code for main node (go-ethereum/geth) was forked from ETH at about September 2016, and since then it developed independently.
Also ETC started few new projects from scratch, such as SputnikVM to replace existing EVM and make faster and more compatible with IoT, and Emerald Project which provides a platform for Dapp developers and tools to integrate external services with ETC.

在2016年9月,ETC主节点(go-ethereum和geth)的代码是从ETH中分叉出来的,之后就开始了独立运作。
另外,ETC还开展了几个全新的项目,比如说用SputnikVM取代现有的EVM(以太坊虚拟机),帮助其实现更快的速度,同时也与物联网更加兼容; Emerald Project能够为Dapp开发者提供平台;还有一些工具可以将外部服务整合到ETC中。



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Yes, exactly same code will work in ETH, except maybe some edge cases.
是的,除了一些极端的例子,通常情况下同样的代码在ETH和ETC两个区块链中都能运作。
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虎哥_hN6 2017-12-5 19:55:54 来自手机版
ETh又要分叉了,分叉后对ETC有什么影响,ETC怎样才能进入物联网
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2017-12-11 12:53:54 Isaac_Ardis: 1. The future is always uncertain.  2. It depends on the application; the protocols are established and documented and it is up to IoT developers to implement them, whether via embedded devices, web- or mobile-based applications, contracts, or a combination of the three.

1. 未来永远是充满不确定性的。2.这取决于应用;协议建立和编写之后需要物联网开发者进行部署:是否通过嵌入式设备,是否基于网页或是移动端应用还是合约,或者是三者的结合。

2017-12-11 12:42:18 Splix: (2) Right now ETCDEV is focused on providing core tools and protocol to be more compatible with limited IoT environment (CPU/Memory use, limited IO and storage space, special hardware and operating systems). As well as providing sidechains to make IoT smart contract execution free and in separate network partitions.

目前ETCDEV(ETC开发者团队)专注于提供核心工具和协议,实现与受限的物联网环境(CPU和内存使用、有限的IO和存储空间、特殊的硬件和操作系统)的兼容。另外,开发者还致力于通过侧链实现物联网智能合约在独立的网络空间中的免费执行。

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hellobitcoin 2017-12-5 20:29:44
非常欢迎几位嘉宾!
为什么会实施当前的货币政策?
货币政策落地后,会有什么变化吗?
你们的团队平时是分布式办公吗?大家一般如何协作?

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2017-12-11 17:36:35 Snaproll: To directly answer your question, I don’t believe the network has a choice (from a strategy/game theory perspective). Because there isn’t any known technical reason that the monetary policy in ECIP-1017 won’t work, the chain operating the new monetary policy will perform better than the same chain that doesn’t adopt the monetary policy change.
我就直接一点回答你的问题吧,我认为是网络没有选择的余地(从策略和博弈论角度来看都是如此)。因为ECIP-1017包含的货币政策中没有任何已知的技术原因是无法运作的,ETC链运作新的货币政策之后,其性能将胜过同类没有采用这一改进的链。

Imagine two chains which are identical in every way, except for their emission rates (emission rates = monetary policy). Chain #1 has an ETC block reward of 5ETC per block, forever. Chain #2 reduces block rewards by 20% every 5 million blocks. Assuming that there is no technical issue with having a reduction of block rewards, or having a limit on total number of ETC, which chain will likely be adopted by more people? Chain #2 wins because there is more scarcity with the underlying unit. Now, the harder question to answer is, when you are looking to possibly change the monetary policy of an operational blockchain, how scarce can you get? Is there a limit, or can you just stop emission right away? The goal is to maximize the number of people who will be willing to risk the maximum amount of their time/money/brain power on a new network, so how do you incentivize that? I could probably write a book about all the points to consider on this, but to give the most simple answer: you copy bitcoin’s monetary policy.
假设有两条链在各个方面都完全相同——除了发行率(发行率=货币政策)。链1的ETC区块奖励是每个区块5个ETC,这一数值是恒定的;链2每隔500万个区块之后就会减少20%的区块奖励。假设减少区块奖励不存在任何技术问题,对ETC总量也没有限制,那么哪条链会被更多人接纳?链2将会获胜,因为这条链具有更强的稀缺性。而更难回答的问题是,当你希望改变一个运作中的区块链的货币政策,你最终能够得到何种程度的稀缺性?是否存在限制或者你是否可以立刻停止发行代币?最终的目标是让越来越多的人愿意在新网络中付出最多时间、金钱和脑力,那么如何激励这类行为?我可以针对这个问题写一本书,但我也可以给出最简单的答案:复制比特币的货币政策。


2017-12-11 12:55:29 Isaac_Ardis: Please see http://ecip1017.com/ for background information about the decision to implement ECIP1017; it was not taken lightly, and it’s approval required a massive amount of participation, collaboration, and agreement. The change will be a stabilizing, disinflationary, and predictable currency generation rate.

请查看这个网站http://ecip1017.com/获取背景信息,即有关部署ECIP1017的决定;这不是一次轻松的决定,ECIP1017的通过需要大量用户的参与、合作和协商。这一改进将会是稳定的、防通胀的以及可预测的货币生成率。

At a high level developers work indepentely; there are different teams, interests, and opinions moving ETC protocol development forward. At a “lower level” developers are very much working together to achieve shared goals. One of the main points of coordination is actually through the ECIP process (https://github.com/ethereumproject/ecips), where protocol changes are fielded, discussed, and eventually dismissed or implemented. Another way of coordination is through Github and the associated code development processes (like https://github.com/paritytech/parity/pull/7067), where relevant code changes can be proposed, discussed, and implemented.

从小方向来说,开发者是独立进行开发的;目前有多个不同的团队对ETC协议的发展抱着不同的兴趣和意见。而从大方向来说,开发者同心协力只为实现共同的目标。开发者主要通过ECIP(https://github.com/ethereumproject/ecips)进行协调,在这里,协议的改进将会被提出并进行讨论,最终可能被撤销或者部署。另一种协调方式就是通过Github及相关的代码开发进程(比如https://github.com/paritytech/parity/pull/7067)进行的,在这里,开发者会提出、讨论并部署代码改进。

2017-12-11 12:44:10 Splix: ETC has community developers and some organized teams. One of them is ETCDEV which works on core projects together with the community in main repo. ETCDEV is organized team with 8 experienced full time engineers distributed around the world.

ETC有社区开发者,也有一些有组织的开发者团队。ETCDEV就是其中之一,他们和社区一起专注于核心项目的开发。ETCDEV团队有8个经验丰富的全职工程师,他们位于世界各地。

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币市新韭菜 2017-12-6 22:31:41
在推特电报上听说ETC硬分叉搁浅了。 是谣传?


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会有相应的糖果?
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2017-12-11 14:19:34 Roy: ETC硬分叉没有糖果,唯一的糖果是ETC以后的供应量减少了,
2017-12-11 12:56:42 Isaac_Ardis: Yes, it’s just a rumor. The hardfork is coded in client protocols to happen at block 5M.

是的,这只是谣言而已。硬分叉代码已经写入客户端协议,将在区块链5M进行。

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3CC 2017-12-7 13:14:59
本帖最后由 3CC 于 2017-12-7 18:08 编辑

感谢各位嘉宾前来解答
第一个问题:ETC的1037协议和1017协议合并后制定永久难度炸弹的协议规范问题,这个难度炸弹是什么意思,是加难度?还是减难度?还是取消难度?

第二个问题:ETC明年在物联网领域或者现实生活上具体有什么发展计划吗?

第三个问题:ETC最终数量是否会归零?因为ETC如果作为消耗品,那么终有一天会消耗殆尽,而现在已经大致确定总量上线2.1亿,如果它是一个消耗品的话,设置上限是不是非常不合理?

第四个问题:ETC在价格增长速度远远落后其他主流币,矿工积极性变低,造成现在算力小的问题,如果货币政策只减产20%,那么可能带来的改变不会很大,目前市场情况热度大于技术,如果这次货币政策实施后依然不能吸引更多的算力让网络自力更生,那么怎么办?

第五个问题:针对目前ETC在市场的环境是供大于求,因为ETC产出数量巨大,并没有一个实际应用让它开始作为燃料开始燃烧,针对这种情况,ETC团队是否考虑开始正常的商业应用








补充内容 (2017-12-8 21:27):
你们怎么看待最近比特币即将到来的7个分叉币,几乎每一个都是2100万的上限,这些代币会严重稀释市场,ETC该站在什么位置来应对这个市场
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2017-12-11 18:31:28 Isaac_Ardis: 回答第四个问题:

The 20% reward reduction is an investment by the protocol in establishing the value of the protocol and currency in the long term. While miners may be disappointed that their paychecks, in the short term, are 20% less per block, they can also be assured that their investment value is not arbitrary and that, in the longer-term, that value can be expected (and calculated) to exceed the value of an inflationary currency. According to https://whattomine.com/, ETC is currently ranked among the top 2 or 3 most profitable coins (excluding small ICO/nice coins).
20%的减产是协议所做的一项投资,旨在长期内建立协议的和货币的价值。矿工可能在短期内对自己的收益感到失望——每个区块奖励都减少了20%,但可以保证他们不会失去投资价值,从长期角度来看,这一价值将超越通胀型货币的价值。据https://whattomine.com/所说,ETC目前是排名第二或第三位最具盈利价值的币(不包括小型ICO代币)。

第五个问题:
If I understand correctly, this energy is directly invested in ETC itself; that’s Proof of Work. ETC is intended to extend it’s reach beyond the scope of any singular “Enterprise,” preferring instead “Enterprises” that can harness the power and reliability of ETC in diverse and independent ventures.
如果我的理解没错,这种能量消耗是对ETC本身的直接投资;这就是工作量证明(PoW)。ETC的应用绝不仅限于单一的“企业级”应用,我们的应用分散在多样化且独立的领域,而不是那些会危及ETC能力和可靠性的商业应用。

第六个问题:

ETC should have 8 forks, each with a bigger cap. Our clients and other associated software are available to be used for forks like these (eg. https://github.com/ellaism/go-ellaism, a fork of Ethereum Classic Geth https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum).  ;)
ETC应该有8个分叉,上限一个比一个大。这些分叉都可以用我们的客户端和其它相关软件(比如https://github.com/ellaism/go-ellaism,ETC Geth分叉https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum)。;)

2017-12-11 18:02:13 Splix: From developer perspective: as development doesn’t influence the market, the market on other hand doesn’t influence development process.
从开发者的角度来说,开发进度并不需要直接影响ETC在二级市场的表现,反之,ETC在二级市场的表现也不会来影响我们的既有开发路线。

2017-12-11 17:37:26 Snaproll: 回答第四个问题:

“What would we do then to attract more attention?” Build something useful that is unique to a decentralized blockchain utilizing an on chain script language. No amount of marketing on the planet can compete with that. I’ve been trying to figure out a non-novelty solution for a little while now. Its tough, but the best of ideas started when I changed my mindset to looking for possible use cases where the costs to transact on the blockchain (total amount spent) are more than the value that is being sent.
“我们如何吸引更多注意?”——通过链上脚本语言,构建一些对于一个去中心化区块链来说有用的东西。没有任何营销方式可以与其竞争。我一直在寻找一个并不算新颖的方案,它必须是稳固的,但却是帮助我改变心态寻找可能用例的最佳选择,它能让区块链中的交易成本(总的花费数量)大于可发送的价值。

2017-12-11 13:58:08 Splix: 回答第四个问题:

From developer perspective: as development doesn’t influence the market, the market on other hand doesn’t influence development process.
从开发者的角度来说,开发进度并不需要直接影响ETC在二级市场的表现,反之,ETC在二级市场的表现也不会来影响我们的既有开发路线。

2017-12-11 13:02:21 Isaac_Ardis: 第一个问题:
The “Difficulty Bomb” was initiated by the Ethereum Foundation before the DAO Hard Fork as a “ticking time bomb” incentive to move away from PoW… it was like setting an alarm clock that would begin setting things on fire if you didn’t replace your commodity investments with hedge fund or 401k investments by 06:30am. It increases the difficulty exponentially beginning at block 5M, and ECIP1039 proposes to permanently shut off this “alarm clock” so that the decision to shift investment strategies can be done with proper consensus and awareness, without a fire extinguisher in hand.

“难度炸弹”是以太坊基金会在the DAO硬分叉之前提出的“定时炸弹”激励机制,旨在弃用PoW……它就像是一个闹钟,如果你在早上六点半之前没有用对冲基金或者401k投资取代你的期货投资,那么它就会爆炸。它会在区块5M大大增加难度,而ECIP1039 提议永远关闭这个“闹钟”,这样切换投资战略的决定就会通过合理的共识和认识来完成,也不需要时刻拿着灭火器了。

第二个问题:
I hope so. I just bought an embedded device and am excited to being playing with it on Monday. In general, it’s up to the developers. I’m a developer and maintainer for core projects, so one important aspect of my job is to make sure that DAPP and IoT developers get the support they need to build new, beautiful, and exciting applications both in the IoT space as well as elsewhere.

我希望如此。我刚刚买了一个嵌入式设备,周一就能用了太激动了。总的来说还要看开发者怎么做。我是核心项目的开发者和维护者,因此,我的工作中最终要的一部分就是确保DAPP和物联网开发者在物联网或其他领域构建新的、出色的、令人激动的应用时得到他们应有的支持。


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王雯敏Wendy_x5G 2017-12-7 14:43:30 来自手机版
ETC最近很安静啊,都在干啥呢,而且也没见到实际应用,未来ETC的应用场景和自身的定位是怎么样的?
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2017-12-11 18:29:28 Isaac_Ardis: Here are some blog posts about ETC developer updates: https://www.etcdevteam.com/blog.html, https://github.com/paritytech/parity/releases, https://iohk.io/blog/ethereum-classic-community-come-together-at-successful-hong-kong-summit/. A “useful application” is for me a term I hesitate to use. For example, I use the ETC protocol as-is to transfer value regularly; I paid Shane for the beer that he bought me - that is useful for me. Or a “useful application” like CryptoKitties? ETC’s strength is in immutablity and predictability of funds. I hope I can’t guess what the next ETC application will be like; I like to be surprised ;)

以下链接说明了ETC开发进展:https://www.etcdevteam.com/blog.html, https://github.com/paritytech/parity/releases, https://iohk.io/blog/ethereum-classic-community-come-together-at-successful-hong-kong-summit/。对于我来说,我不太可能用“实际应用”这个词。比如说,我定期用当前的ETC协议转移价值;Shane为我买了一杯啤酒,我给他转了ETC——这对我来说很有用。CryptoKitties是否是实际应用?ETC的优势就在于不可更改性以及资金的可预测性。我希望自己不用去猜测未来的ETC应用;因为我想要惊喜;)

2017-12-11 14:25:20 Roy: ETC社区有3支互相独立的开发团队,他们都致力于ETC相关基础技术的开发工作。 在不久的未来,将会在国外和国内同时成立ETC孵化器,国内的孵化器会在苏州高铁新城链谷社区,并打造国内最有影响力的社区和区块链生态系统,大家耐心等待。   
2017-12-11 13:20:24 Splix: ETCDEV, which is doing all core development, is growing, working on a full speed making ETC more stable, flexible and mature. We have couple of new projects released, you can find them on our github https://github.com/ethereumproject
We are aware of some applications that are in research or development phase, but we can’t comment on them.

ETCDEV目前是ETC最主要的开发团队,我们正在抓紧开发让ETC变得更稳定,更灵活更成熟。我们发布了不少的新项目,你可以在 https://github.com/ethereumproject 上看到它们。
我们现在又不少正在研究和开发的应用,但是目前还保密。

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hellobitcoin 2017-12-9 16:01:34
现在ETC挖矿收益如何?减产对挖矿收益有什么直接影响?
这个货币政策会对未来的应用有影响吗
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2017-12-11 18:27:48 Isaac_Ardis: The Monetary Policy is designed and intended to safeguard and validate the value of ETC in a calculable and predictable way. This means for future applications that ETC can be assured to be a currency which will not lose relative value in the long term.
货币政策旨在以可计算和可预测的方式保护且验证ETC的价值。这就意味着在未来的应用中,ETC可以作为一种货币而存在,长期内不会失去相对价值。

2017-12-11 17:38:05 Snaproll: Monetary policy does not directly influence mining profitability. Speculators/users driving demand above the market price equilibrium of supply drives mining profitability. Monetary policy can affect speculative value though.
货币政策并不会直接影响挖矿收益。投机者和用户驱动需求上涨打破了市场价格与供应量之间的平衡,从而增加挖矿收益。不过,货币政策能够影响投机价值。

2017-12-11 14:15:48 Roy: 本帖最后由 Roy 于 2017-12-11 14:17 编辑

ETC挖矿收益可以参照这个统计:https://www.cryptocompare.com/mi ... amp;CostPerkWh=0.12

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相比较ETH,可以参照这里: https://minergate.com/calculator/ethereum

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hellobitcoin 2017-12-9 16:58:29
最近持有ETC是不是也可以分到糖果?具体怎么分?
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2017-12-11 17:41:24 ElaineOu: there will not be an airdrop, we already have over 90% of nodes running on the new fork and there will be no support for the old fork.
不会有糖果,在新的分叉中已经运行了近90%的节点了,不再有人支持旧的分叉。

2017-12-11 13:41:50 Roy: 关于ETC空投,这是第三方社区的空投, AMT社区(由莱特币的中国社区负责人PZ参与的一个社区项目),AMT社区最近会对持有ETC的人进行空投,想拿糖果的朋友请访问网站,官网马上上线,具体怎样拿后续会有教程
https://weibo.com/6420956866/Fy5PGndq9?type=comment

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清远 2017-12-9 18:02:52 来自手机版
最近以太经典有哪些应用准备上线
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2017-12-11 14:21:45 Roy: 有些潜在的项目正在ETC进行开发,譬如Fractalide:  具体可以访问http://fractalide.com/ ,是一个Dapp应用通用市场的项目。
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IDOGE 2017-12-9 18:07:01
哪些交易平台支持ETC领取糖果?
ETC未来的定位?ICO 物联网?
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2017-12-11 18:26:07 Isaac_Ardis: I think sooner IoT than ICO. Personally, I don’t care.
我认为ETC更适合用于物联网上,而不是ICO。

2017-12-11 17:54:21 Splix: I personally believe that ETC technology is better suited for machine-to-machine operations, such as IoT. ICO is a good idea, but it’s more about marketing rather than tech, so as developers we can’t really comment on that.
我个人认为,ETC技术更适合用于像物联网这样的机器对机器的操作。ICO是一个好想法,但是它主要靠市场营销发家,而不是靠技术。我们开发者不太愿意对此作出评价。

2017-12-11 13:42:27 Roy: 本帖最后由 Roy 于 2017-12-11 14:22 编辑

关于ETC空投, AMT社区(由莱特币的中国社区负责人PZ参与的一个开发社区项目),AMT社区最近会对持有ETC的人进行空投,想拿糖果的朋友请访问网站,官网马上上线,具体怎样拿后续会有教程
https://weibo.com/6420956866/Fy5PGndq9?type=comment

关于ETC的定位,Ethereum Classic首先是一个通用的区块链智能合约开发平台,各种应用都可以在上面进行开发;未来物联网是方向之一。
关于ICO的用途,ETC可以作为ICO平台,但不是ETC的主要应用。有其它的平台也提供ICO功能。



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macx1980 2017-12-9 18:10:35 来自手机版
etc要在前期有很大的发展,技术,营销,价格都很重要。大部分投资者技术宅不多,更多的对价格感兴趣,而且价格的上涨可以使etc获得更多关注。我感觉etc团队不仅仅都是技术专家,还需要营销专家,甚至是有金融背景的专家。我的问题简单直接,近期对etc价格有没影响,团队对etc的营销,价格提升有何计划?
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2017-12-11 18:18:20 Isaac_Ardis: In the immediate future, for example, the ECIP1017 fork provides guaranteed disinflation. This guarantees a calculable supply limit (scarcity), and should incentivize demand. As a member of ETCDEV my role is to build and maintain trustable, extensible, and useful software, and in doing so I hope to provide value for the community.
在不久的将来,ECIP1017将实现防通胀。这就保障了可计算的供应量限制(稀缺性),并且能够刺激需求。作为ETCDEV的一员,我的职责是构建和维护可信的、可扩展的实用性软件,这样才能为社区带去价值。

2017-12-11 13:49:07 Roy: 目前,市场营销确实是ETC的弱项,因为社区同时需要做的事情有很多,我们会按部就班;而且ETC社区是一个去中心化的社区,任何人都可以加入,帮助这个社区成长。目前有些国内大机构和团队表达了希望加入社区帮助做些事情。

对于价格的问题,不是开发团队关注的重点,毕竟我们的工作主要是技术开发。
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区块元 2017-12-9 20:06:40
ETC现在缺少应用, 没有类似养猫的爆点, 是否后期会有相应的开发团队跟上。 现在ETC基金会有多少资金储备,是否能资助在ETC生态上发展的项目?
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2017-12-11 18:16:39 Isaac_Ardis: ETC does not have a federated (in pratice or in principal) “foundation.”  ETCDEV team is very interested in supporting Dapp developers to have the tools they need to build unique and useful applications. There are discussion around an ETC “Treasury” that would be able to financially support the next generation of “CryptoKitties” on behalf of the network, but itself requires further discussion for consideration and adoption.
ETC没有同盟性质的“基金会”。ETCDEV团队对支持Dapp开发者更有兴趣,帮助他们取得用于搭建独特且具实用性的应用的工具。目前正在讨论中的ETC“财政库”(Treasury)能够为网络中新一代的CryptoKitties提供资金支持,但还需要进一步讨论决定是否采用这一方式。

2017-12-11 17:52:53 Splix: If you’re asking about ETCDEV team, we’re working or core projects, protocol related and tools for other developers. We’re not making any money from it and we operate on very tight budget, it’s mostly altruistic help to the world. So ETCDEV can’t support 3rd party developers unfortunately.
But there are ETCCooperative and ETC community donation funds, in my understanding these funds will be spent on some assistance to other applications.
如果你指的是ETCDEV团队,我们正在研发核心项目,为其他开发者制定协议和工具。这样做并不赚钱,我们的经费也很紧张,这基本上属于无私付出。因此不幸的是,ETCDEV无法支撑第三方开发者入驻。
但目前有 ETCCooperative和ETC社区在捐赠资金,这些资金可以用来帮助其它应用的研发。

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dailycafe 2017-12-11 10:35:57
一直听说ECIP-1010(难度炸弹延迟),但是不清楚难度炸弹延迟是什么,可以解释一下吗
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2017-12-11 18:11:45 Isaac_Ardis: “难度炸弹”是以太坊基金会在the DAO硬分叉之前提出的“定时炸弹”激励机制,旨在弃用PoW……它就像是一个闹钟,如果你在早上六点半之前没有用对冲基金或者401k投资取代你的期货投资,那么它就会爆炸。它会在区块5M大大增加难度,而ECIP1039 提议永远关闭这个“闹钟”,这样切换投资战略的决定就会通过合理的共识和认识来完成,也不需要时刻拿着灭火器了。
2017-12-11 17:52:24 Splix: we have paused difficulty bomb growth for this year, to get more time on decision how to deal with PoS. It was paused till block 5M, same block as new Monetary Policy, but it’s just coincidence that it’s on same block. After block 5M it will start growing slowly, but as we realized that ETC is not going to PoS in near future, we discussing complete removal of the Difficulty Bomb in following months.
今年我们已经暂停了难度炸弹增长,旨在争取更多时间来决定如何应对PoS。在区块5M之前它都会保持暂停状态,和新的货币政策一样,不过两者在同一区块启动只是巧合。区块5M之后难度炸弹将缓慢增长,但正如我们所知道的那样,ETC将来不会切换到PoS,接下来几个月我们会讨论彻底移除难度炸弹。

2017-12-11 14:31:39 Roy: 简单来说,这个炸弹是以太坊为了转向PoS而设下在某个时间点出块时间几何级上升,直至之后不出块,目的是将这条链的公式算法(Consensus Algorithm)升级到PoS,但是ETH并没有在既定的线路图时间下做到升级到PoS,为了不使整条链变成不出币的死链,必须将这个算力炸弹发作的时间延后。ETC同样有算力炸弹,而ETC算力炸弹的延迟是为了在最佳的时间实行新的货币政策。实行新的货币政策的同时也会把这个炸弹拆除了。

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